hurrem. And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. 12-14 George Street Since that title was created for Hrrem, this does not affect Mahidevran, who was important nonetheless as the mother of the oldest prince, but not a Haseki. It seems you consider a Talk page as a comment war section, well it's not. The precise year that she entered the harem is unknown, but scholars believe that she became Suleiman's concubine around the time he became sultan in 1520. Moreover, she is referred to as "Mahidevran Sultan" in popular history books, TV series and touristic literature. - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. There are reasons to believe that these two letters were more than just diplomatic gestures, and that Suleiman's references to brotherly or fatherly feelings were not a mere tribute to political expediency. Thank you. Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. Breaking Ottoman tradition, he married Hurrem, making her his legal wife. During those decades the Venetian Republic was following the Ottoman dynastic news closely due to their close links with the empire. Hurrem's salary was 2,000 aspers a day, making her one of the highest-paid Hasekis. This did not, however, prevent Hurrem from wielding powerful political influence. Her greatest philanthropical work was the Great Waqf of AlQuds, a large soup kitchen in Jerusalem that fed the poor. That's very funny!!! Mahidevran Turbesi6.jpg 315 470; 18 KB. I asked you to provide a source calling M's father Abdullah a Slave. Hurrem eventually achieved power, influencing the politics of the Ottoman Empire. All the facts have been laid out but you still want to call Mahidevran a sultana when she wasn't: she didn't legally marry Suleyman, nor was the mother of a sultan. "Sultan" had many meanings throughout history and did reflect the status and the way of interacting of the times; if we want to accurately depict history then, at last, she's a "hatun". In official account, not all consorts who was referred as SULTANA was legally married to Sultan nor was the Valide Sultan. WebMihrimah Sultan (1522 - January 25, 1578) was the daughter of the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his wife Hrrem Sultan. Best:) - Worldandhistory (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mahidevran Sultan in Trke Bilgi = tr:Meahidevran Sultan in Turkish Wikipedia. After the death of Suleiman's mother Hafsa Sultan in 1534, Hurrem's influence in the palace increased, and she took over the ruling of the Harem. [41], Hurrem is known to have been very generous to the poor. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. [8] [9] Though Hurrem was more favored, Mahidevran was still a wife and mother of heir apparent. Letempsviendra (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], Phso 2 You are saying that Leslie P. Pierce told n his book that for the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hurrem all the other consorts carried an alternative title Hatun.But my freind you should also know that,Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). If you all come to an agreement earlier let me know. God willing, it will go away as soon as you return to the city. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. Many books (you may easily google) have also referred to this website for references. Best. Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The other wives, also not legally married to the sultan, were called "kadin" or "hatun". 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. [30], Mustafa was supported by Ibrahim Pasha, who became Suleiman's grand vizier in 1523. Thank you.113.203.163.165 (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think both theories are correct, general logic can be used in Wikipedia IF the sources available contradicts each other, but even if she was called Sultan there is no need to mention it in the Title. Adding something as controversial as ""she was a slave"" as can be seen here would only draw unnecessary attention of the fans and/or may or may not be alleged descendants, as your content was more like a statement rather than a neutral point of view. [5] She was born in the town of Rohatyn 68km (42mi) southeast of Lww (Lviv), a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland,[6] in what is now Ukraine. After the executions, Mahidevran moved to Bursa to build a proper grave for her son and lived there until her death in 1581. [i][11], Shaykh Qutb al-Din al-Nahrawali, a Meccan religious figure, who visited Istanbul in late 1557, noted in his memoirs that Hurrem Sultan was of Ruthenian origin. Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? Reply[reply], Sort it out. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. [40] Her mausoleum is adjacent to Suleiman's, a separate and more somber domed structure, at the courtyard of the Sleymaniye Mosque. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. 113.203.190.165 (talk) 02:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why did popular culture assume, for example, that Hurrem was participant in the executions of Ibrahim Pasha and Mustafa? Simply click 'close' in the top right corner to continue reading! [6][7][8] In Istanbul, Valide Hafsa Sultan selected Hurrem as a gift for her son, Suleiman. She had been a servant in the household of Hanerli Fatma Sultan, daughter of ehzade Mahmud, son of Sultan Bayezid II. [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. In 2019, mention of the Russian origin of Hurrem Sultan was removed from the visitor panel near her tomb at the Sleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul at the request of the Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey.[48]. Sorry cant find sources now that was about 12 years ago. Worldandhistory (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], You did not answer my first point, no where in the article does it say she belonged to a noble family, the article is now free from any claims of her being scion, the article simply focuses on her origins. I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy. The cast and crew are taking to the boards asPiraticus Rexopens at The Playhouse this week. He appointed to govern Konya instead of Mustafa. Who thought it was acceptable to post this? 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "Denying a deceased person of its possible title" you just put yourself in evidence here. Mahidevran Sultan once hit hurrem untill her face turned to a bloody puddle, something that didn't please the sultan. Hurrem also unlike Mahidevran His wife Kay announced via Facebook: I am sorry to make a Mahidevran - The overshadowed Chief Consort - History of Royal The book comprises 27 paintings and 27 poems After months of hard work Grantlea Downs School celebrated the opening of its sensory footpath last Friday. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 06:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], She was an Albanian; her father, Abdullah Recai was a musician and her brother was Nakkashan Adem. If, however, you can get an admin to permanently block the page from any further editing you may do so. [23], Hurrem became the first consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. The Ottoman Empire, 13001650: The Structure of Power. In her first short letter to Sigismund II, Hurrem expresses her highest joy and congratulations to the new king on the occasion of his ascension to the Polish throne after the death of his father Sigismund I the Old in 1548. However, I added ""the most convincing theory"" was wrong I admit, therefore, I have changed that. Instead, he attended it. On the contrary, I sympathize with Mahidevran Hatun. Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. Mahidevran ga At that time Mustafa was the third son of Suleiman, without significant importance. Jobair khondoker (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], "But Leslie P. Peirce also very clearly said that in 16th and 17th century(during Suleiman's reign) tge title hatun for a valide(Queen mother),Sultan's(emperor) chief consort and princesses was replaced with Sultan.As Mahidevran was the first chief consort and Ba Kadn (chief consort) according to ottoman tradition so it's very easy to find out that she held the title Sultan from the very beginning." At 5 years, survival was 45% (95% CI, 43% to 49%), and 43% of the deaths were noncardiovascular. Learn how and when to remove this template message, CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe, De moribus tartarorum, lituanorum et moscorum, "2 Reasons Why Hurrem Sultan and Empress Ki were similar", "Ottoman Empire History Encyclopedia - Letter H - Ottoman Turkish history with pictures - Learn Turkish", Constantinople: City of the World's Desire, 14531924, "Hrrem Sultan: A beloved wife or master manipulator? Later, Hurrem became the first woman to remain in the sultan's court for the duration of her life. When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). Also I would like to repeat a point I made earlier, the interview with her alleged descendant cannot be overlooked. Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Mahidevran played a great role during her sons education as governor. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. [20] Hurrem became the only partner of the ruler and received the title of Haseki, which means the favorite. Scholars thus agree that European artists created a visual identity for Ottoman women that was largely imagined. WebA cause of death is determined by a medical examiner. Please don't get personal here it's just a talk page. Yet they were called Sultana for being Sultan's Kadins (Wives) You have a very little knowledge you are only referring to a few (if not one) online source and claiming that was it. Moreover, remaining in Istanbul, she moved out of the harem located in the Old Palace (Eski Saray) and permanently moved into the Topkap Palace after a fire destroyed the old harem. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. Interviews are constantly being used in Wikipedia for every notable person, why neglect this one? Does the translation really say she was from Euboea?? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. Hurrem and Mahidevran had borne Suleiman six ehzades (Ottoman princes), four of whom survived past the 1550s: Mehmed, Selim, Bayezid, and Cihangir. Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.138.199 (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], I removed a painting of Rosne Pranvere from the article. Learn how your comment data is processed. Above all, her being mother of heir apparent is not a popular culture but a fact. However, some argue that she has Albanian roots. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Not hesitating for a second thought, he offered his beautiful daughter, as a gift, to the young prince." 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. The show was originally supposed to open last week With Christmas around the corner, Age Concern South Canterburys Friday Club celebrated by holding a traditional Christmas dinner for its members last Friday. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. WebAuthor has 325 answers and 6.9M answer views Oct 9. Hello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. Mahidevran had only one son, it was Mustafa. She had a Kira who acted as her secretary and intermediary on several occasions, although the identity of the kira is uncertain (it may have been Strongilah[39] or Esther Handali[citation needed]). New York: Palgrave Macmillan. In 1553, Mustafa was very famous in Anatolia. Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. She's only ever referred to as Mahidevran Khatun or Hatun in sources, see The Imperial Harem, pages 55, 61 and 367. [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Actually you are the one making subjective propositions here. WebHello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. She died in 1558, in Istanbul and was buried in a mausoleum within the Sleymaniye Mosque complex. This tells how important and high ranking Birinci Kadins were (see any ottoman dictionary you like to see what Birinci Kadin means and what was their positions in early history of Ottoman.) In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. It is traditionally believed that Hurrem, along with her daughter Mihrimah and her son-in-law Rustem, orchestrated Mustafas execution by turning his father, the Sultan, against him. Selim could have helped Mahidevran out of guilt that he lived and became Sultan while her son did not. These incidents launched a series of events which culminated in his execution in 1536 by Suleiman's order. Even so, a Sultan was NOT allowed to have more than 4 Kadins at a time (Brinci Kadin, Ba Kadn or Sultan Kadin was the first ranking wife), but can have as much concubines as he liked. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. [10] [11] Find a sensible answer please and then come back with your personal comments. In early modern Spain, she appears or is alluded to in works by Quevedo and other writers as well as in a number of plays by Lope de Vega. In the end, they fought and Mahidevran beat Hrrem or Hrrem let herself be beaten. Worldandhistory (talk) 14:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC) Not interested? [36] In Jerusalem she established the Haseki Sultan Imaret in 1552, a public soup kitchen to feed the poor,[37] which was said to have fed at least 500 people twice a day. Learn more about merges. The name Roxalane derives from Roksolanes, which was the generic term used by the Ottomans to describe girls from Podolia and Galicia who were taken in slave raids. There is a possibility of both titles therefore no title should be put in. I began this website in 2013 because I wanted to share these women's amazing stories. She is known to be a legal wife before Hurrem Sultan, but not so popular since Hurrem Sultan was the first "slave" to become a legal wife, hence, only Hurrem's being a legal wife is so popular. Also, the rules are clear: no woman other than the sultan's own female blood relatives and main wife use the title of sultan [7]. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. Whether this phrase refers to a warm friendship between the Polish King and Ottoman Haseki, or whether it suggests a closer relation, the degree of their intimacy definitely points to a special link between the two states at the time. Circassian or Albanian? She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. There was a seal on the back of the letter. [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. He was very intelligent and had a strong politic education. This has to stop, no factual person will buy your theory. But with the same decree, Mustafa was appointed to govern Konya (middle Anatolia). "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. There have been novels written in other languages: in French, a fictionalized biography by Willy Sperco (1972); in German, a novel by Johannes Tralow (1944, reprinted many times); a very detailed novel in Serbo-Croatian by Radovan Samardzic (1987); one in Turkish by Ulku Cahit (2001). In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. But at the end of the day, that's all irrelevant. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. :P Well, like I said, all these efforts prove nothing but if you are convinced read may latest comments on my last reply; "you may add the word slave to Origins if you are still convinced but must also use the term "possibly" along with it to maintain a NPOV." Hurrem Haseki Sultan, or Roxelana, is well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many artistic works. Amasya was one of the farthest provinces from the capital. Her full name was Glbahar Mahidevran Sultan 1 due to her great beauty; Glbahar means rose of the spring and Mahidevran means the most beautiful in all. Roxelana (Ukrainian: , romanized:Roksolana; lit. The death of television icon Betty White received a lot of attention in popular culture. It is clear you don't have the intention to make this wikipedia page historically accurate. Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:10, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think you are mistaken my friend,,Mahidevran Sultan was the first chief consort and the proud mother Sehzade mustafa,the most potential heir apparent of the throne for succesion of his father.And you are saying that she was not even a concubine??? Webmahidevran. Hope you got my point. In this case, Suleiman not only broke the old custom, but began a new tradition for the future Ottoman sultans: To marry in a formal ceremony and to give their consorts significant influence on the court, especially in matters of succession. Hurrem's contemporaries describe her as a woman who was strikingly good-looking, and different from everybody else because of her red hair. We cannot overlook them. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. It was not because Hafsa Sultan was firmly against this unification, but because it was not allowed for a concubine to rise above the status of the Valide Sultan (Queen Mother). The poem in the show was written by Mustafa's companion, Yayha Bey. In real life, Yayha Bey also did write a poem too. So it was not Suleiman himse This site uses cookies to improve your experience and to help show content that is more relevant to your interests. That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. [17], Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, partially suppressed the rivalry between the two women. At age 26 Suleiman takes the throne. Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:8BCE:C01:ED43:4385:BB24:1ABE (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], (moved from user TP) Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. Memorial ID. According to the same tradition, Mahidevran had to leave Istanbul to accompany her son. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. If it was up to people making subjective propositions for every wikipedia page, then there would be millions of the same subject; there can't be 6 billion wikipedia pages of the sun, there can't be 6 billion pages wikipedia pages of earth, and of course there can't be 6 billion pages of Mahidevran. [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. With this letter, Hurrem sent Sigismund II the gift of two pairs of linen shirts and pants, some belts, six handkerchiefs, and a hand-towel, with a promise to send a special linen robe in the future. Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. Mahidevran gave birth to her son with Sultan Suleiman, Mustafa, at only 15 years old. Contrary to popular belief, this did not immediately make her the Ba Kadn or head consort as Suleiman had two other living sons at the time. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply], The page Mahidevran Sultan should be moved to Mahidevran Glbahar Hatun because Mahidevran was never a concubine or a Haseki Sultan and Hrrem Sultan was the first Haseki Sultan.--Retrieverlove 1:09, 22 June 2014, According to Leslie P. Peirce, prior to the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hrrem Sultan, all the Ottoman consorts carried an alternative royal title, "Hatun".But Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). As Mulkhurub Bahar Idarovna blossomed into an eye dazzling beauty, her father saw this as an opportunity to strengthen the political relationship between the Caucasus and Ottoman Dynasty. And for your info, they all married the sultan and were legal wives, and those that weren't married were called hatun. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I beg to differ, in many books (arts, literature whatever you may call) she has been known as Sultana. [1] In the times of Suleyman, not everyone could be addressed that way. [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. She was the chief consort of Suleiman before the appearance of Hrrem Sultan. Imber, Colin (2002). After that, although Hurrem's successor Nurbanu Sultan and her successor Safiye Sultan exchanged letters with queens, there is no other example of a female sultan who personally contacted a king other than Hurrem Sultan. Hurrem was allowed to give birth to more than one son which was a stark violation of the old imperial harem principle, "one concubine mother one son," which was designed to prevent both the mother's influence over the sultan and the feuds of the blood brothers for the throne. Prominent Ukrainian writer Pavlo Zahrebelny describes Hurrem as "an intelligent, kind, understanding, openhearted, candid, talented, generous, emotional and grateful woman who cares about the soul rather than the body; who is not carried away with ordinary glimmers such as money, prone to science and art; in short, a perfect woman."[43]. There must be only one, with correct facts that inform people with the necessary information, and the reader, not the editor, is the one who makes the interpretation. She was the first imperial consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. In the Istanbul harem, Hurrem became a rival to Mahidevran and her influence over the sultan soon became legendary. It is clear by your statement that you're being subjective about this: you're looking for an excuse rather than solid facts to call Mahidevran a sultana. She often suffered from lack of money 2 until Suleimans death; Sultan Selim II later increased her income to help her. According to reports of theVenetian ambassador, Mustafa was the whole joy in his mothers life, and Mahidevran was a highly effective figure in her sons court. We can ask her! A short woman wearing expensive clothes and jewelry appears Hurrem: Agha? Where are we? (She looks closer at my face, noticing the The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. Simply putting Mahidevran in the title will be better. Moreover, he was famous for his generosity and fair decisions. I got this text from this reference if anyone have an actual book name to cite then please update. My only request, please don't emphasize Leslie's work on entire Ottoman system, let there be other possible sources as well, specially for a matter like this, when there is little if no information on "consorts' position in harem before 16th century" is present in her book. Takabeg (talk) 09:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], Someone needs to check the pronunciation: stress and vowel length. 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